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9/5/2017 12:01:50 PMWhat does the Bible say about the return of Christ? 

kb2222
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(Take note you fundamentalists of the obvious errors of scripture pointed out in this answer by...)

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As we see in his epistles, Paul believed that Jesus would return in his own lifetime to take the Christians to heaven. The Thessalonians were becoming concerned that some of their number had died without having the opportunity to participate, so we can see the assurances he gave them in 1 Thessalonians:

1 Thessalonians 4:15: For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Some time after Paul’s death it was becoming increasingly obvious that Jesus was not coming back, at least not soon. An anonymous author wrote 2 Thessalonians to correct the record. He implied that a previous epistle written in Paul’s name was not authentic and that the day of Christ was not at hand as the earlier epistle alleged:

2 Thessalonians 2:2–3: That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first…

Paul actually wrote 1 Thessalonians, but in order to discredit that epistle, the author of had to discredit its author and convince his audience that, far from being Paul, the earlier author had been an evil person: (continuing 2 Thessalonians 2:3) “and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.”

Meanwhile, another anonymous author wrote Mark’s Gospel and, perhaps taking his cue from Paul, wrote that Jesus would return on clouds of glory within the lifetimes of those to whom Jesus spoke:

Mark 13:26,30: And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory… Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

By the time Matthew and Luke were written, Mark’s prophecy was becoming unlikely, so the emphasis was changed to say that no man knows when Jesus will return.

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9/5/2017 12:03:53 PMWhat does the Bible say about the return of Christ? 
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They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation."

Fact: He will be back.

9/5/2017 12:11:44 PMWhat does the Bible say about the return of Christ? 

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Quote from freegratis:
They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation."

Fact: He will be back.

That Jesus will return is not the issue. The issue is that Jesus did not return within the lifetime of those then living as Paul believed and wrote thus it is ludicrous for fundamentalists to still assert everything in the Bible is Gods inspired truth.

9/5/2017 1:07:46 PMWhat does the Bible say about the return of Christ? 
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Quote from kb2222:
That Jesus will return is not the issue. The issue is that Jesus did not return within the lifetime of those then living as Paul believed and wrote thus it is ludicrous for fundamentalists to still assert everything in the Bible is Gods inspired truth.


Read Daniel 12.

Because God says in the bible to wait, that means that the bible is untrustworthy?

Is that how you rationalized substituting Urantia book?

9/5/2017 1:27:39 PMWhat does the Bible say about the return of Christ? 

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Quote from freegratis:
Read Daniel 12.

Because God says in the bible to wait, that means that the bible is untrustworthy?

Is that how you rationalized substituting Urantia book?

Why do you digress by raising other issues/questions without responding to the issue I raised?

9/5/2017 1:31:36 PMWhat does the Bible say about the return of Christ? 

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Jesus said that the temple would be destroyed during His hearers' lifetime (which it was in 70 a.d.), not that He would return during His hearers' lifetime.



[Edited 9/5/2017 1:32:45 PM ]

9/5/2017 1:35:14 PMWhat does the Bible say about the return of Christ? 

kb2222
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Don't be so stupid, Ludlow. Read my op.

9/5/2017 1:38:15 PMWhat does the Bible say about the return of Christ? 

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Yes, I did read it.

Jesus prophesied that the temple would be destroyed in the lifetime of His hearers, not that He would return in their lifetime.

9/5/2017 1:50:42 PMWhat does the Bible say about the return of Christ? 

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Yes, I did read it.

Jesus prophesied that the temple would be destroyed in the lifetime of His hearers, not that He would return in their lifetime.

Read the op again, Ludlow. Its not about the temple being destroyed its about Jesus did not return within the lifetime of those then living as Paul believed and wrote. I think your stupidity is fake and just your deceitful way of avoiding truth that differs from church doctrine.

9/5/2017 3:38:14 PMWhat does the Bible say about the return of Christ? 

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All through the gospels Jesus is constantly changing the subject as He speaks. Someone will ask Him a question, He will answer it, and then abruptly start talking about something else. This is especially true whenever Jesus is speaking prophetically---one minute He will be talking about His return in glory, the next minute He will be talking about the destruction of the temple. Which is which? The people of Jesus' time might not have understood but we can now. If He says it happens in the hearers' generation it refers to the destruction of the temple. If He speaks of a return on clouds of glory He means centuries later.

9/5/2017 4:42:43 PMWhat does the Bible say about the return of Christ? 

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Ludlow, that is just more of your deceitful BS as the PROBLEM you seek to evade is that is NOT what the scriptures quoted say.

9/5/2017 7:57:36 PMWhat does the Bible say about the return of Christ? 

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There are two ways to read the scripture: (1) literally, word for word, or (2) as the Catholic Church understands the scripture. Since the scriptures contain many real and apparent contradictions, only the second way will work.

9/5/2017 8:16:17 PMWhat does the Bible say about the return of Christ? 

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The simple and clear FACT is if the Bible was all Gods inspired and inerrant word/truth as the corrupt self-serving Catholic church claims there would be no "real and apparent contradictions."

9/5/2017 8:52:34 PMWhat does the Bible say about the return of Christ? 

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There are no errors in scripture concerning faith or moral teaching. That is, if we understand the Church's teachings.

Without the Church's teachings the Bible is just a mishmash, and, while opinions might be formed about its meanings, nobody really knows what it means.

9/5/2017 9:05:24 PMWhat does the Bible say about the return of Christ? 

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You are truly a corrupt servant of Satan to assert it is morally just to stone and burn human beings to death at the stake as if you never heard of the teachings of Jesus or even the laws of civilized society. You are morally and spiritually insane, Ludlow.

9/5/2017 10:40:14 PMWhat does the Bible say about the return of Christ? 

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If Jesus is such a namby pamby, why does He send thousands of people to Hell every day?

9/6/2017 8:58:33 AMWhat does the Bible say about the return of Christ? 
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Things You Need to Know about the Unforgivable Sin
Dr. David Jeremiah

"According to Jesus, there is one sin that can't be forgiven—not in this age or the age to come.
Jesus addressed the topic in Mark 3:20-30, a passage that ends with these words: “Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation.”

In Mark 3, there’s an interesting fact that’s only apparent in the Greek New Testament. According to verse 22, the scribes said, “He has Beelzebub.” The verb form for “said” is in the imperfect tense. It can be translated as, “They kept on saying.” It wasn’t just a matter of a sudden thoughtless word or an instant reaction. Their words represented a hardened attitude and an embittered and impenitent heart.

It shows us that progressive rejection can be the most dangerous.

When God convicts us of sin and presents us with the Gospel, it’s dangerous to neglect it, especially if our procrastination becomes chronic. We resist and resist and resist. After a while, we can become so hard-hearted and sin-hardened that we grow calloused of soul. Our ears can’t receive the truth. Our minds shake off the conviction of the Spirit. We become cynical of conscience. And although the grace of God is still available to us, we push away from it.

Believing we know the Word of God isn’t enough.

These scribes had become Jesus-resistant because of the time-lapsed attitudes of their own evil hearts. It’s tragic, for these scribes had devoted their lives to copying the Word of God. Note the relationship between the words scribe and scribble. These men had copied and recopied the Old Testament. Every day they copied an ancient Scripture scroll by hand.

They had copied Isaiah 53, about the Suffering Servant. They had copied Psalm 22, about the death of the Messiah. They knew Micah 5 and the prophecy of our Lord’s birth. Yet their hearts had become so hardened they couldn’t receive His grace when it arrived in the person of Jesus.

We can be hardened to spiritual truth by living in the middle of it.

We can go to church and read the Bible so much that the words no longer register with us. The scribes had come to the place where they were so familiar with religious things that when the Son of God showed up, they didn’t know who He was and they accused Him of being from Satan.

The unforgivable sin is denying the deity of Christ.

By ascribing the miracles of Jesus to Satan, the religious leaders were denying the deity of Jesus Christ. They were saying He could not be God. Yet by His miracles He was showing Himself to be nothing and no one less than God. Only God Himself could do what He had done. His followers believed in His deity.

Rejecting the Holy Spirit and rejecting the deity of Christ are connected.

It’s the Holy Spirit who witnesses to the deity of Christ in our world today.

So when you refuse to accept the ministry of the Holy Spirit or you ascribe His ministry to Satan, you give up the final opportunity to be saved. You must believe in Jesus as the Son of God. We have to accept the witness of the Holy Spirit and act upon the conviction He brings.

In its essence, the unforgivable sin is hardening your heart against God and repeatedly refusing to respond to His entreaties to your soul. By continuing to resist and reject the Lord, you build calluses on your soul until the conviction of the Spirit of God no longer registers on your heart. Over a period of time you become hardened. You hear the Word of God and it makes no impact on you. If you die in that condition, there’s no further forgiveness available. For those who reject Jesus Christ, there’s no forgiveness anywhere else, anytime, either in this world or the next. He died for you, and if you reject that, there’s no other sacrifice for sin.

So don’t worry that you’ve committed the unpardonable sin. But if you don’t know Jesus Christ as your personal Savior, be concerned that you might.

If you’ve resisted Christ and refused Him as your Savior, and if something happens and you die, you will have committed the unpardonable sin. You don’t get a second chance after death. Whatever we do concerning Christ, we do in this life. Don’t gamble that you will have time or that you can respond later. The Bible says, "Seek the Lord while He may be found, call upon Him while He is near" (Isaiah 55:6).

Jesus is who He claims to be. He is the way, the truth, and the life. He is the only way to God. He is Son of God and Son of Man, our Savior, the Word made flesh, the Firstborn from the Dead. He is our Maker, Defender, Redeemer, and Friend. He is Christ the Lord, the Rock of Ages, the Sure Foundation, the Cornerstone. When He is your unforgettable Savior, you’ll never have to worry about the unforgivable sin.

9/6/2017 9:36:53 AMWhat does the Bible say about the return of Christ? 

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
If Jesus is such a namby pamby, why does He send thousands of people to Hell every day?

You are morally and spiritually insane.